========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 05:22:30 -0400 Reply-To: Brian.Melanson@vt.edu Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brian Melanson Subject: binary file MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_54Sf7v4g+z+tKLRq4QcfDA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_54Sf7v4g+z+tKLRq4QcfDA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey everyone I know i can't be the only one still awake right now. Is anyone else getting Visual C to say '...p4bin.dat' This file is binary and cannot be read. in a message box? i'm wondering if i'm storing something wrong, but thats what it gives me. any suggestions would be helpful...also...notepad opens it with like 3 characters...2 of them not alpha-numeric thanks ================================================= Brian.Melanson@vt.edu Resident Computer Consultant (RCC), Lee Hall Director of Technology (DOT), Residence Hall Federation (RHF) ================================================= --Boundary_(ID_54Sf7v4g+z+tKLRq4QcfDA) Content-type: application/ms-tnef; name=winmail.dat Content-disposition: attachment; filename=winmail.dat Content-transfer-encoding: base64 eJ8+Ih4JAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEGgAMADgAAANAHBQABAAUAFgAAAAEA+QAB A5AGAIwGAAAiAAAACwACAAEAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAB4AcAAB AAAADAAAAGJpbmFyeSBmaWxlAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG/s06QN2CRZmKlIEHNgFVtT/mRdXAAAAIB HQwBAAAAFQAAAFNNVFA6Qk1FTEFOU09AVlQuRURVAAAAAAsAAQ4AAAAAQAAGDgCsGLROs78BAgEK DgEAAAAYAAAAAAAAAEzmkWW9fNMRvogAwE97P+3CgAAACwAfDgEAAAACAQkQAQAAAMoCAADGAgAA MQQAAExaRnXrUQFbAwAKAHJjcGcxMjUWMgD4C2BuDhAwMzNPAfcCpAPjAgBjaArAc/BldDAgBxMC gwBQEGb4cHJxDlAQ3wHxEuEDYzcSnwdtAoB9CoAIyCA7WwlvDjA1AoAKgXYIkHfSawuAZDQMYGMA UAsDAQu1IEhleSBldnUEkHkCIGUKogqBAZEgIEkga25vB+BpIApjAHAnBUBiZSB0NmgdgAIgbBsw G6Egc4Z0AxADIGF3YWsdgJkFEGdoBUAcsS4gHHAvBCAAcBuSG0BsESAgZ6cRMB6ADyAgVgQAdQdA VCBDHZBvHmBhGzAnIi4icHA0YguALmQoYXQnFcBoBAAgZn8DEB2AI3EiwQrAGzAAcGTPHQIcsB1T CXBhZB/AC4A9HsAgB4EiICDgHWBveAY/G9Ub42knbSB3/wIgBIEhIgaQHOAnsR5wBbC9ISJzA3AR MCNgITF3A2D1DyAsHWB1BUAdoCMQBCDOdyrRHOAFQGdpG2AEIJ0HgC4m6iAhHmB1ZyDg7x5xAiAr AQhgbCSwHXEdsPhscGYuECJxB0ApcCJxzSUBZQqwJLBvcAnwBCBHK3ED8B2gIGxpHwEzvx0AEyEA 0C+wERAicTId0F8okB2hJ8AlAgdAcBMgLXxudQeABRAA4Cb5KsFujmsQsCb5GjUxID02X783bzhc FCML8BngG+RjAEG3LhAR9BrhQgchIuBNIJDDAHECIEB2dC4JgAxw/zpQAUAuEBywG7E5ewrjCoH1 OsZSB5BpAQACMCHAA3D+cCqQBJA/oQCALhABkD+BoChSQ0MpKmBMCeCfGwAHQDqhOYs6xkRpCXDX MbAFsTJRVAWQaBywCQDCZxswKERPVEExPyXyY0GEIEYJgASQIxAtofFA4UhGKUHvGrQ4X0mf/zh/ PW81phyxP1AxsC6gCsAvOrY1a051FuEAUAAAAAsAAYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAOFAAAA AAAAAwADgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAAEIUAAAAAAAADAA+ACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAA AAABhQAAAAAAAAMAbIAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAFKFAAB9bgEAHgBtgAggBgAAAAAAwAAA AAAAAEYAAAAAVIUAAAEAAAAEAAAAOS4wAAsAboAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAAAaFAAAAAAAA CwBygAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEYAAAAADoUAAAAAAAADAHOACCAGAAAAAADAAAAAAAAARgAAAAAR hQAAAAAAAAMAdYAIIAYAAAAAAMAAAAAAAABGAAAAABiFAAAAAAAACwCMgAggBgAAAAAAwAAAAAAA AEYAAAAAgoUAAAEAAAACAfgPAQAAABAAAABM5pFlvXzTEb6IAMBPez/tAgH6DwEAAAAQAAAATOaR Zb180xG+iADAT3s/7QIB+w8BAAAAegAAAAAAAAA4obsQBeUQGqG7CAArKlbCAABQU1RQUlguRExM AAAAAAAAAABOSVRB+b+4AQCqADfZbgAAAEM6XERvY3VtZW50cyBhbmQgU2V0dGluZ3NcQWRtaW5p c3RyYXRvclxNeSBEb2N1bWVudHNcb3V0bG9vay5wc3QAAAADAP4PBQAAAAMADTT9NwAAAgF/AAEA AAAvAAAAPE5EQkJMT0lJRU1DR05PQk9JQ0pCQ0VCTkRHQUEuYm1lbGFuc29AdnQuZWR1PgAAAwAG EGxB1iwDAAcQ8QEAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABIRVlFVkVSWU9ORUlLTk9X SUNBTlRCRVRIRU9OTFlPTkVTVElMTEFXQUtFUklHSFROT1dJU0FOWU9ORUVMU0VHRVRUSU5HVklT VUFMQ1RPU0FZUDRCSU5EQVRUSElTRklMRUlTAAAAAF+L --Boundary_(ID_54Sf7v4g+z+tKLRq4QcfDA)-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Apr 0100 11:55:25 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brian Wagner Subject: CS: problem w/ Curator Content-Type: text From the following: http://spasm.cs.vt.edu:8080/curator/SpasmCurator?upload ... I'm getting this: "Submission is too late! " ... when I try and submit P4. What's the problem? -- // *Brian Wagner, CpE My Homepage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~datatroi ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:20:03 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: "Karl D. Mann" Subject: Can't Submit P4 on Curator MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MULTIPART/ALTERNATIVE; BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_MqlNxUYmarLI8D0yRdaFIw)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_MqlNxUYmarLI8D0yRdaFIw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I tried to submit P4 on the curator, but it says the submission date has = passed. Karl Mann kmann@vt.edu (540)232-3118 --Boundary_(ID_MqlNxUYmarLI8D0yRdaFIw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I tried to submit P4 on the curator, = but it says=20 the submission date has passed.
 
Karl Mann
kmann@vt.edu
(540)232-3118 --Boundary_(ID_MqlNxUYmarLI8D0yRdaFIw)-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:48:27 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Shalaka Tendulkar Subject: P4 submission In-Reply-To: <001601bfb389$1ad7b960$bf3852c6@Mann> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, The curator was not set up correctly to accept P4 but it has been corrected now. You should be able to submit your assignments. Sorry about the inconvenience. Let me know if you still have any troble submitting the projects. The curator address is spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags Thanks, Shalaka ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 12:58:42 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Matt Stec Subject: Re: P4 submission In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I submitted my project early and the curator accepted it...do I need to submit it again, or will it be ok? thanks,matt At 12:48 PM 5/1/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >The curator was not set up correctly to accept P4 but it has been >corrected now. You should be able to submit your assignments. Sorry about >the inconvenience. Let me know if you still have any troble submitting the >projects. The curator address is spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags > >Thanks, >Shalaka > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:30:25 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Cliff Shaffer Subject: Re: A Node Question In-Reply-To: <010f01bfb215$5b52beb0$7502cb26@Redrum> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeffrey T. Haug" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 3:12 PM > Subject: A Node Question > > > > hey everybody. > > i was modifying my node class. since my tree expects nodes to be returned > > (on gets) and nodes to be set (on sets) . i am changing my node class/es > to > > be a sort of in between for the tree and the memory manager (ie nodes <-> > > handles/messages). I was wondering if our internal nodes are allowed to > > have five handles? one to itself and the it holds the four handles of its > > children. Or do the children handles have to be retrieved as needed? > > This is quite reasonable. On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, David Cook wrote: > The spec says "Internal nodes will store 17 bytes: a one byte field use to > distinguish internal from leaf nodes, followed by four 4-byte fields > to... Note that this is what is stored physically in the memory manager. That requirement has nothing to do with how the intermediate node representation (the one that the tree class interacts with) will be implemented. -- Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:16:40 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Shalaka Tendulkar Subject: Re: P4 submission In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000501125842.0068b9f4@mail.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, whatever the curator has accepted, it has done it correctly. You do not need to submit again. Shalaka On Mon, 1 May 2000, Matt Stec wrote: > I submitted my project early and the curator accepted it...do I need to > submit it again, or will it be ok? > > thanks,matt > > At 12:48 PM 5/1/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >The curator was not set up correctly to accept P4 but it has been > >corrected now. You should be able to submit your assignments. Sorry about > >the inconvenience. Let me know if you still have any troble submitting the > >projects. The curator address is spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags > > > >Thanks, > >Shalaka > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:09:06 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Ryan Turner Subject: list deletion In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I know this is a little off topic, but I figured someone would know the answer. When you delete a stl list, do the list items get deleted? And if the list items are pointers, do the objects that are pointed to get deleted? Ryan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:28:58 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Jonathan Pryor Subject: Re: list deletion In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, and no. In that order. (Yes, when a container is destructed, all the elements in the container have their destructor invoked. If the container is of pointers, then NO, the pointers aren't deleted first. You need to remember that.) - Jon > -----Original Message----- > From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of > Ryan Turner > Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:09 PM > To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU > Subject: list deletion > > > I know this is a little off topic, but I figured someone would know the > answer. > > When you delete a stl list, do the list items get deleted? And > if the list > items are pointers, do the objects that are pointed to get deleted? > > Ryan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 20:51:21 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Dave Sracic Subject: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I've finished this beast, and I'm trying to submit it. I'm using the same browser I was for the previous three projects, same version, and have changed NOTHING. I'm going to http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags/EAGSClient.html, and getting a damned applet window saying "You do not have sufficient privileges. Please read the manual to fix this problem." Can anyone tell me WTF is going on here? I've changed NOTHING on my system since submitting the last problem. Can anyone tell me how to fix this garbage or point me to the mythical manual I'm supposed to read? I've got this done, and quite honestly, I'll be beyond furious if I'm not going to get credit for an on time submission. -Dave ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:06:53 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Saam Tariverdi Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think you have to download and execute the curatorsetup.exe file, which is located somewhere from the course website. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Sracic" To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:51 PM Subject: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > I've finished this beast, and I'm trying to submit it. I'm using the > same browser I was for the previous three projects, same version, and > have changed NOTHING. I'm going to > http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags/EAGSClient.html, and getting a damned applet > window saying "You do not have sufficient privileges. Please read the > manual to fix this problem." Can anyone tell me WTF is going on here? > I've changed NOTHING on my system since submitting the last problem. > Can anyone tell me how to fix this garbage or point me to the mythical > manual I'm supposed to read? > > I've got this done, and quite honestly, I'll be beyond furious if I'm > not going to get credit for an on time submission. > > -Dave ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:15:43 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Sidney Bennett Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit is it spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags or is it spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator? i believe I used the former to submit HW1 and never got it in. It told me I had insufficent privlieges. so try spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:13:57 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Owens Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? In-Reply-To: <390E2689.3EE31D65@vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit http://spasm.cs.vt.edu:8080/curator/SpasmCurator go there -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Dave Sracic Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:51 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? I've finished this beast, and I'm trying to submit it. I'm using the same browser I was for the previous three projects, same version, and have changed NOTHING. I'm going to http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags/EAGSClient.html, and getting a damned applet window saying "You do not have sufficient privileges. Please read the manual to fix this problem." Can anyone tell me WTF is going on here? I've changed NOTHING on my system since submitting the last problem. Can anyone tell me how to fix this garbage or point me to the mythical manual I'm supposed to read? I've got this done, and quite honestly, I'll be beyond furious if I'm not going to get credit for an on time submission. -Dave ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 21:30:33 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Sidney Bennett Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just so you know I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> Insufficent Priviliges!! So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! So there you have it. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:19:21 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Shalaka Tendulkar Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? In-Reply-To: <004a01bfb3d6$02df8700$3d1e640a@vtacs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I don't know what's happening either. For me, spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags works and that is where I set up the stuff, so that was the address I gave you. In case you have the 'insufficient privileges' problem with spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags, modify the .java.policy file in your profile and put the following lines of code: grant codeBase "http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags" { permission java.security.AllPermission; }; grant codeBase "http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags/-" { permission java.security.AllPermission; }; That should solve the problem. Shalaka On Mon, 1 May 2000, Sidney Bennett wrote: > Just so you know > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > Insufficent Priviliges!! > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > So there you have it. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:14:27 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Tanner Bonig Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? In-Reply-To: <390E2689.3EE31D65@vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now that's the kind of ranting I think we ALL can appreciate and maybe come of us can understand! Tanner -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Dave Sracic Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 8:51 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? I've finished this beast, and I'm trying to submit it. I'm using the same browser I was for the previous three projects, same version, and have changed NOTHING. I'm going to http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags/EAGSClient.html, and getting a damned applet window saying "You do not have sufficient privileges. Please read the manual to fix this problem." Can anyone tell me WTF is going on here? I've changed NOTHING on my system since submitting the last problem. Can anyone tell me how to fix this garbage or point me to the mythical manual I'm supposed to read? I've got this done, and quite honestly, I'll be beyond furious if I'm not going to get credit for an on time submission. -Dave ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:45:10 +0100 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Gordon Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit your obviously not logged into your computer as an administrator, or if you ghetto rigged another account, your logged in as another account. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sidney Bennett" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:30 AM Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > Just so you know > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > Insufficent Priviliges!! > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > So there you have it. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 22:45:12 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Dave Sracic Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, I got it working the same way, and I'm using windows 95 (read: no accounts). So, something's screwy, and it's not a local mistake, it's a server one. Ha. (I still don't understand why in God's name can't we use FTP like the rest of the civilized world...) -Dave John Gordon wrote: > > your obviously not logged into your computer as an administrator, or if you > ghetto rigged another account, > your logged in as another account. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sidney Bennett" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:30 AM > Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > > > Just so you know > > > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > > Insufficent Priviliges!! > > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > > > So there you have it. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:02:16 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Michael Witczak Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I cant get it to work....wher eis the .profile file at? I have been searching to get this stupid thing to work for 15 minutes now...and now it is officially late! Hooray for me!!! Anyone got n e help 4 me? Mike John Gordon wrote: > your obviously not logged into your computer as an administrator, or if you > ghetto rigged another account, > your logged in as another account. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sidney Bennett" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:30 AM > Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > > > Just so you know > > > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > > Insufficent Priviliges!! > > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > > > So there you have it. -- To errr is human...... to really screw up something up takes a computer. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 23:18:32 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Michael Witczak Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I was using win 2000 and I just finally got my submission to work but I had to reboot in NT 4.0 and install java, and then the curator thing to get this to work....I am pretty upset because I was submitting this program 15 minutes before the deadline and now i am 15 minutes late because i have a slow modem and had to download the java application. Can there be a 15 - 20 minute grace period or something, cause I have never had a problem in win 2000 with this thing and now when i need it to work the most it does not. I spent forever trying to figure out why and couldnt get anything. Thanks Mike Dave Sracic wrote: > Well, I got it working the same way, and I'm using windows 95 (read: no > accounts). > > So, something's screwy, and it's not a local mistake, it's a server > one. Ha. > > (I still don't understand why in God's name can't we use FTP like the > rest of the civilized world...) > > -Dave > > John Gordon wrote: > > > > your obviously not logged into your computer as an administrator, or if you > > ghetto rigged another account, > > your logged in as another account. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sidney Bennett" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > > > > > Just so you know > > > > > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > > > Insufficent Priviliges!! > > > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > > > > > So there you have it. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:40:17 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Cliff Shaffer Subject: CS2604 Final Exam information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The final exam for ALL sections of CS2604 will be 7:45-9:45AM on Wednesday, May 10. Both of Dr. Roach's sections will have their exam in Litton Reaves 1870. Dr. Shaffer and Dr. Keller's sections will have their exam in Smyth 146. -- Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:44:25 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brandon McKelvey Subject: Re: P4 submission MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I submitted mine early did it take? I dont want to not get the early bonus points. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shalaka Tendulkar" To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: P4 submission > Hi, > > The curator was not set up correctly to accept P4 but it has been > corrected now. You should be able to submit your assignments. Sorry about > the inconvenience. Let me know if you still have any troble submitting the > projects. The curator address is spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags > > Thanks, > Shalaka ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:10:21 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Webb Pinner Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Shalaka Tendulkar <> To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:19 PM Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > Well, I don't know what's happening either. For me, spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags > works and that is where I set up the stuff, so that was the address I gave > you. > > In case you have the 'insufficient privileges' problem with > spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags, modify the .java.policy file in your profile and put > the following lines of code: > > grant codeBase "http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags" { > permission java.security.AllPermission; > }; > grant codeBase "http://spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags/-" { > permission java.security.AllPermission; > }; > > > That should solve the problem. > > Shalaka > > > > On Mon, 1 May 2000, Sidney Bennett wrote: > > > Just so you know > > > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > > Insufficent Priviliges!! > > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > > > So there you have it. > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:22:14 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Tanner Bonig Subject: Re: P4 submission In-Reply-To: <000c01bfb455$b34ef7e0$ebd8c026@parklink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That's a interesting question, cause I was wondering, I submitted Sunday.. does that mean I get like 2 or 3 bonus points??? Tanner -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Brandon McKelvey Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:44 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Re: P4 submission I submitted mine early did it take? I dont want to not get the early bonus points. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shalaka Tendulkar" To: Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: P4 submission > Hi, > > The curator was not set up correctly to accept P4 but it has been > corrected now. You should be able to submit your assignments. Sorry about > the inconvenience. Let me know if you still have any troble submitting the > projects. The curator address is spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags > > Thanks, > Shalaka ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:35:58 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Jason Giglio Subject: Re: P4 submission In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" If the curator works like it used to, you can only be a few minutes past the early date to still get any points. Last I knew, it was something like 1 point per minute past the due date, until all the points for that day is used, i.e. if you were going to get 10 bonus points at 11PM, at 11:10 you might as well wait until the next day. At 01:22 PM 5/2/00 -0400, you wrote: >That's a interesting question, cause I was wondering, I submitted Sunday.. >does that mean I get like 2 or 3 bonus points??? > >Tanner > >-----Original Message----- >From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of >Brandon McKelvey >Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:44 PM >To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU >Subject: Re: P4 submission > > >I submitted mine early did it take? > >I dont want to not get the early bonus points. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shalaka Tendulkar" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 12:48 PM >Subject: P4 submission > > >> Hi, >> >> The curator was not set up correctly to accept P4 but it has been >> corrected now. You should be able to submit your assignments. Sorry about >> the inconvenience. Let me know if you still have any troble submitting the >> projects. The curator address is spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags >> >> Thanks, >> Shalaka > ------------------------------------------------------- Jason Giglio jgiglio@vt.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:45:17 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Owens Subject: Re: P4 submission In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit where were all of you people during the year? If you submitted before the early date, you get the bonus, no bonus after. if you were late for any reason, it's still late. I must have heard this a hundered times this semester. Just because it's worth more points doesnt mean the rules change. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:57:46 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brandon Horsley Subject: Re: P4 submission MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > where were all of you people during the year? > If you submitted before the early date, you get the bonus, no bonus after. > if you were late for any reason, it's still late. so if you got in a car accident and couldn't submit, no points for you? Give me a break, I hate it when people are so by-the-book that it's ridiculous, there HAS to flexibility in life. If you live your life rock-solid by-the-book, you'll be miserable. It is my personal opinion that if something keeps you from submitting that isn't your fault, then it should be excused. ESPECIALLY if the department can't seem to get their act together, I have been penalized too many times to count for the CS departments lack of organization and concern. Also, so you don't get me wrong, I am not whining about not being able to submit on time, my submission was well before the early turn in dead line, but it pisses me off when people come on the list serve attacking people for things that aren't their fault, as if you know what they went through. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:17:46 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Steve Mirman Subject: Re: P4 submission In-Reply-To: <390F1719.2A9AA0D4@vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Look, e-mail the professor this crap. Don't send it to the listserv. At 01:57 PM 5/2/2000 -0400, you wrote: >> where were all of you people during the year? >> If you submitted before the early date, you get the bonus, no bonus after. >> if you were late for any reason, it's still late. > >so if you got in a car accident and couldn't submit, no points for you? Give >me a break, I hate it when people are so by-the-book that it's ridiculous, >there HAS to flexibility in life. If you live your life rock-solid >by-the-book, you'll be miserable. It is my personal opinion that if something >keeps you from submitting that isn't your fault, then it should be excused. >ESPECIALLY if the department can't seem to get their act together, I have been >penalized too many times to count for the CS departments lack of organization >and concern. Also, so you don't get me wrong, I am not whining about not >being able to submit on time, my submission was well before the early turn in >dead line, but it pisses me off when people come on the list serve attacking >people for things that aren't their fault, as if you know what they went >through. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 May 0100 14:33:12 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brian Wagner Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? In-Reply-To: <390E4138.94D0C9B7@vt.edu> from "Dave Sracic" at May 1, 0 10:45:12 pm Content-Type: text > (I still don't understand why in God's name can't we use FTP like the > rest of the civilized world...) That's what did in the EE Data Structures I. :-) > > -Dave > > John Gordon wrote: > > > > your obviously not logged into your computer as an administrator, or if you > > ghetto rigged another account, > > your logged in as another account. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sidney Bennett" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:30 AM > > Subject: Re: Doesn't anything in this department WORK? > > > > > Just so you know > > > > > > I just tried to submit my assignment on spasm.cs.vt.edu/eags ---> > > > Insufficent Priviliges!! > > > So I tried spasm.cs.vt.edu/curator ----> Success!! > > > > > > So there you have it. > -- // *Brian Wagner, CpE My Homepage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~datatroi Women's English (installment #1): "Yes" = No; "No" = Yes; "Maybe" = No; "I'm sorry" = You'll be sorry "We need" = I want; "I'm not upset" = Of course I'm upset, you moron! "Be romantic.....turn out the lights" = I have flabby thighs ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:47:42 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Cliff Shaffer Subject: Submission issues for P4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There as been a lot of (mostly inappropriate) messages to the listserv the past day or two regarding P4 submission issues. A few points to be made (none of which warrent a response to the listserv). 1) For a couple of hours Wednesday morning, the submitter was blocked due to an error in the configuration that made it think the submissions were past-due (in which case, you would have received a response indicating this to be the problem). Aside from this single exception, there was nothing different, so far as I know, about the submission process for P4. 2) The late rules for P4 are the same as the rules for all other projects. 3) Special cases are special cases. If you think you have a good excuse for some exemption from the standard rules on submitting late, make your case to the instructor for your section. -- Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:18:24 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: mark Subject: Question #3, figure explanation. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In question #3, I'm not understanding the figure (11.15). We reviewed it in class, but the general consensus was that it was not in a 'state' that was considered legal. For example one of the internal nodes has only one key. Is this allowed?...not sure if this figure is in a kind of transition state from being an illegal to legal tree, or not? Any input appreciated. Thanx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:24:02 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Ben Keller Subject: Re: Question #3, figure explanation. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The restriction that you are concerned about is actually on the number of children and not the number of keys in the node. See the B-Tree definition (11.2). In this diagram, the B-tree portion (everything but leaves) is order 4, and so there must be between 2 and 4 children. If there are two children, then only one key will occur in the node. So, the diagram is legal. mark wrote: > > In question #3, I'm not understanding the figure (11.15). We reviewed it in > class, but the general consensus > was that it was not in a 'state' that was considered legal. For example one > of the internal nodes has only one key. Is this allowed?...not sure if this > figure is in a kind of transition state from being an illegal to legal > tree, or not? > Any input appreciated. Thanx -- Ben Keller email: keller@cs.vt.edu Visiting Assistant Professor phone: 540-231-9367 Computer Science Dept (0106) web: www.cs.vt.edu/~keller Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061 USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:42:38 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: "Bryan R. Deehring" Subject: Re: Question #3, figure explanation. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Read the chapter. The question concerns B+ trees, which have different properties from B trees. -----Original Message----- From: mark [SMTP:mahawle2@VT.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:18 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Question #3, figure explanation. In question #3, I'm not understanding the figure (11.15). We reviewed it in class, but the general consensus was that it was not in a 'state' that was considered legal. For example one of the internal nodes has only one key. Is this allowed?...not sure if this figure is in a kind of transition state from being an illegal to legal tree, or not? Any input appreciated. Thanx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:14:13 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Mark Subject: Re: Question #3, figure explanation. In-Reply-To: <390F3962.AF9AC4D@cs.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. Clears it up :p At 04:24 PM 5/2/00 -0400, you wrote: >The restriction that you are concerned about is actually on the number >of children and not the number of keys in the node. See the B-Tree >definition (11.2). > >In this diagram, the B-tree portion (everything but leaves) is order 4, >and so there must be between 2 and 4 children. If there are two >children, then only one key will occur in the node. So, the diagram is >legal. > > > >mark wrote: >> >> In question #3, I'm not understanding the figure (11.15). We reviewed it in >> class, but the general consensus >> was that it was not in a 'state' that was considered legal. For example one >> of the internal nodes has only one key. Is this allowed?...not sure if this >> figure is in a kind of transition state from being an illegal to legal >> tree, or not? >> Any input appreciated. Thanx > >-- >Ben Keller email: keller@cs.vt.edu >Visiting Assistant Professor phone: 540-231-9367 >Computer Science Dept (0106) web: www.cs.vt.edu/~keller >Virginia Tech >Blacksburg, VA 24061 USA > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:09:36 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Mike Behnke Subject: crash on exit MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone have any idea on how to find where an error similar to below is occurring in your code? My program crashes on exit. char* p1 = new char[4]; char* p2 = new char[1]; char name[]="foobar"; // longer than 4. strcpy (p1, name); // *could* destroy p2, depending // on memory manager... delete[] p1; // fine... delete[] p2; // bang. you're dead. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:35:39 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Tanner Bonig Subject: Re: crash on exit In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.20000502200905.008382c0@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm surprised nobody's responded to this already, so I'll take a stab (even though I don't know exactly why) First thing that pops up in my mind when I see this is your deleting a dynamically created array of size 1. I don't know if this is allowed, but I guess this would be the problem. Tanner -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Mike Behnke Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:10 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: crash on exit Anyone have any idea on how to find where an error similar to below is occurring in your code? My program crashes on exit. char* p1 = new char[4]; char* p2 = new char[1]; char name[]="foobar"; // longer than 4. strcpy (p1, name); // *could* destroy p2, depending // on memory manager... delete[] p1; // fine... delete[] p2; // bang. you're dead. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:10:28 -0700 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Dan Subject: Question 1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey, for question one, do we need to make the revised binary search each time through the loop, or is the calculation to find an approxamate location only done once. IE, do we simply add in a line or two to calculate some great starting position and that is it, or do we have to keep using this calculation in the while loop? thanks dan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:30:05 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Cliff Shaffer Subject: Re: Question 1 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000504141028.01cfaa00@mail.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You should make it part of the loop, NOT just do it once. -- Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4 May 2000, Dan wrote: > hey, > for question one, do we need to make the revised binary search each time > through the loop, or is the calculation to find an approxamate location > only done once. IE, do we simply add in a line or two to calculate some > great starting position and that is it, or do we have to keep using this > calculation in the while loop? > > thanks > > dan > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:54:43 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Mark Bucciero Subject: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For 11.15 minimum calculations, Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? For 7.11, I was thinking of using a DFS method to visit all the nodes but the cost is V+E. Is that acceptable? thanks ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:33:11 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Cliff Shaffer Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 In-Reply-To: <003901bfb5fa$359e9520$96d1f1cd@mbuccier.campus.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mark Bucciero wrote: > For 11.15 minimum calculations, > Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? That violates the definition of a B/B+-tree > For 7.11, > I was thinking of using a DFS method to visit all the nodes but the cost is > V+E. Is that acceptable? The question should indicate \Theta(V + E) time rather than \Theta(E) time. -- Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:13:32 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." Subject: Anyone here have an Athlon board? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry for the spam, but I'm in a significantly desparate situation. Does anyone here have an Athlon board (supporting 800MHz) and would be willing to let me test my chip? I really need to know what in my system is failing. Thanks in advance! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 19:48:05 -0700 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Dan Subject: Exercise 11.15 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey, is a level one B+ tree only have a leaf in it? so if an internal node could have 10 childen, and the leaves can store up to 10 records/numbers....does a level one tree have only a leaf node with a maximum number of records/numbers being 10? thanks Dan Mielinski ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 20:55:38 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Sidney Bennett Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I would have to agree with you. My understanding of B+ trees is that a level one tree is composed of a single leaf. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:12:54 +0100 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Gordon Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thank god, i was wondering how we could possibly do it in less than theta(E) time because the book says theta(V) which of course freaked me out. Thank you for asking that question mark, and thank you Mr. Shaffer for the clarification. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Shaffer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mark Bucciero wrote: > > > For 11.15 minimum calculations, > > Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? > > That violates the definition of a B/B+-tree > > > For 7.11, > > I was thinking of using a DFS method to visit all the nodes but the cost is > > V+E. Is that acceptable? > > The question should indicate \Theta(V + E) time rather than \Theta(E) > time. > > -- > Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 > Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu > Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 00:16:12 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Joseph Bowyer Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That's PROFESSOR Shaffer john =) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gordon" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 > thank god, i was wondering how we could possibly do it in less than theta(E) > time > because the book says theta(V) which of course freaked me out. Thank you > for > asking that question mark, and thank you Mr. Shaffer for the clarification. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff Shaffer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mark Bucciero wrote: > > > > > For 11.15 minimum calculations, > > > Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? > > > > That violates the definition of a B/B+-tree > > > > > For 7.11, > > > I was thinking of using a DFS method to visit all the nodes but the cost > is > > > V+E. Is that acceptable? > > > > The question should indicate \Theta(V + E) time rather than \Theta(E) > > time. > > > > -- > > Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 > > Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu > > Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 01:22:11 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Tanner Bonig Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 In-Reply-To: <004101bfb648$a6347720$917252c6@majere666> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That's MR John to you Joseph. Tanner -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Joseph Bowyer Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 12:16 AM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 That's PROFESSOR Shaffer john =) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gordon" To: Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 > thank god, i was wondering how we could possibly do it in less than theta(E) > time > because the book says theta(V) which of course freaked me out. Thank you > for > asking that question mark, and thank you Mr. Shaffer for the clarification. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cliff Shaffer" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 8:33 PM > Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 > > > > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mark Bucciero wrote: > > > > > For 11.15 minimum calculations, > > > Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? > > > > That violates the definition of a B/B+-tree > > > > > For 7.11, > > > I was thinking of using a DFS method to visit all the nodes but the cost > is > > > V+E. Is that acceptable? > > > > The question should indicate \Theta(V + E) time rather than \Theta(E) > > time. > > > > -- > > Cliff Shaffer, Associate Professor Phone: (540) 231-4354 > > Department of Computer Science Email: shaffer@cs.vt.edu > > Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 WWW: www.cs.vt.edu/~shaffer > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:31:10 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Garrett Rose Subject: homework during exams In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was just wondering why we have homework due during exams. Maybe I'm wrong, and I don't think I am, but I think this is against school policy. I personally have time to do it, but there are some who are probably studying for they're exams, which are more important. Garrett ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 10:44:04 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Owens Subject: Re: homework during exams In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000505103110.008f8100@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In class Dr. Shaffer told us that they could have made the homework due Wed or Mon, but instead they made it friday to give us extra time in case we needed it. He asked if anyone had a problem with the extra time, and no one said anything. This homework assignment has been posted for 2 weeks, it could have easily been done before any finals. -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Garrett Rose Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:31 AM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: homework during exams I was just wondering why we have homework due during exams. Maybe I'm wrong, and I don't think I am, but I think this is against school policy. I personally have time to do it, but there are some who are probably studying for they're exams, which are more important. Garrett ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 13:51:21 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Jason Giglio Subject: Re: homework during exams In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It is against policy to have anything due for a grade, (with a few narrow exceptions) during the last week, so making it due Monday or Wednesday would have been against policy too. The policy does not mention anything about how long you had to do it, only when it is due. Read for yourself. ----------------------------------------------------- http://www.cas.vt.edu/student/coursepolicy.html#final ----------------------------------------------------- Study Week. All written work, with the exceptions noted below, should be given at such time that it can be graded and returned during a regularly scheduled class meeting of the semester. In any event, in class hour examinations or other in-class written assignments, quizzes, or tests shall not be given in the last three calendar days of scheduled classes. The exceptions are the following: Dates for turning in term papers, studio projects and project reports may be set at the discretion of the instructor, provided that the student is not to be held responsible on the final examination for the subject matter therein. Final examinations in laboratory courses and in other courses which do not warrant a final examination during the examination period. Such examinations, if required by the department and/or instructor, should be given during the last regularly scheduled laboratory, studio, or class period. Regularly scheduled final examination, when special permission has been granted by the Dean of the appropriate college. At 10:44 AM 5/5/00 -0400, you wrote: >In class Dr. Shaffer told us that they could have made the homework due Wed >or Mon, but instead they made it friday to give us extra time in case we >needed it. He asked if anyone had a problem with the extra time, and no one >said anything. This homework assignment has been posted for 2 weeks, it >could have easily been done before any finals. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of >Garrett Rose >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:31 AM >To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU >Subject: homework during exams > > >I was just wondering why we have homework due during exams. Maybe I'm >wrong, and I don't think I am, but I think this is against school policy. >I personally have time to do it, but there are some who are probably >studying for they're exams, which are more important. > >Garrett > ------------------------------------------------------- Jason Giglio jgiglio@vt.edu Free Poetry Contest http://www.poetrycontestonline.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:35:48 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Michael Witczak Subject: Re: homework during exams MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Guys, come on........It is due, get it done, and move on....there is no need to say if it is right or wrong for them having it due now. It was quite nice of Dr. Shaffer, Dr. Keller, and Dr. Roach to make this assignment due today rather than on monday along with the program. We all have had the opportunity to get it done for the last 2 weeks now and if someone (me) is still working on it, then it is their problem and they are a slacker (me). Mike Jason Giglio wrote: > It is against policy to have anything due for a grade, (with a few narrow > exceptions) during the last week, so making it due Monday or Wednesday > would have been against policy too. The policy does not mention anything > about how long you had to do it, only when it is due. > > Read for yourself. > ----------------------------------------------------- > http://www.cas.vt.edu/student/coursepolicy.html#final > ----------------------------------------------------- > Study Week. All written work, with the exceptions noted below, should be > given at such time that it can be graded and returned during a regularly > scheduled class meeting of the semester. > In any event, in class hour examinations or other in-class written > assignments, quizzes, or tests shall not be given in the last three > calendar days of scheduled classes. > > The exceptions are the following: > > Dates for turning in term papers, studio projects and project reports may > be set at the discretion of the instructor, provided that the student is > not to be held responsible on the final examination for the subject matter > therein. > > Final examinations in laboratory courses and in other courses which do not > warrant a final examination during the examination period. Such > examinations, if required by the department and/or instructor, should be > given during the last regularly scheduled laboratory, studio, or class > period. > > Regularly scheduled final examination, when special permission has been > granted by the Dean of the appropriate college. > > At 10:44 AM 5/5/00 -0400, you wrote: > >In class Dr. Shaffer told us that they could have made the homework due Wed > >or Mon, but instead they made it friday to give us extra time in case we > >needed it. He asked if anyone had a problem with the extra time, and no one > >said anything. This homework assignment has been posted for 2 weeks, it > >could have easily been done before any finals. > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of > >Garrett Rose > >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:31 AM > >To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU > >Subject: homework during exams > > > > > >I was just wondering why we have homework due during exams. Maybe I'm > >wrong, and I don't think I am, but I think this is against school policy. > >I personally have time to do it, but there are some who are probably > >studying for they're exams, which are more important. > > > >Garrett > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Jason Giglio > jgiglio@vt.edu > > Free Poetry Contest > http://www.poetrycontestonline.com -- To errr is human...... to really screw up something up takes a computer. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: David Cook Subject: EAGS, "You do not have permitions" (Linux) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ok, I'm trying to install the curator under Linux because I don't feel like rebooting. So I downloaded and installed the JRE 1.2.2 for linux and the 1.2.2 plugin for netscape on linux, but I keep getting this permission denied stuff. Should I run the executable provided on the EAGS web site? I figured I shouldn't because that is for windows. If anyone knows an easy fix I'd appreciate it. Later -Dave ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:30:36 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Owens Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit But if you notice the example of a B+ tree on page 353 Figure 11.19, it has a root with 2 children, and those chilrdren are 2 internal nodes, each with only 2 children, in this case, all internal nodes have only 2 children. -- On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mark Bucciero wrote: > For 11.15 minimum calculations, > Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? Dr. Shaffer:"That violates the definition of a B/B+-tree" ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:49:25 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Blain Subject: Re: Exercise 11.15 & 7.11 In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Read a bit further in the book and it's b/c the children have to be at least 1/2 full. Those can only hold 4 records, so 2 >= (1/2*4) but we have 15, so ours have to hold at least 8 records. =blain => But if you notice the example of a B+ tree on page 353 Figure => 11.19, it has => a root with 2 children, and those chilrdren are 2 internal => nodes, each with => only 2 children, in this case, all internal nodes have only 2 children. => => -- => On Thu, 4 May 2000, Mark Bucciero wrote: => => > For 11.15 minimum calculations, => > Is it possible that all internal nodes contain just two children? => => Dr. Shaffer:"That violates the definition of a B/B+-tree" => => ----------------------------------------------------------------- => -------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:12:48 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brandon Horsley Subject: Re: homework during exams MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So everyone's arguing about how it was assigned two weeks ago, but the bottom line is, it's against policy. When was the last time the CS department allowed YOU to violate a policy (ie: prerequisites). I think it's funny how some are immune to the rules, but enforce it strictly on others. Sometimes I feel as if someone is trying to hold us back. There are countless times I have been held back now because of prerequisites, when I had more than enough ability, and an example of this was last semester when I wanted to take THIS VERY CLASS (which I am doing extremely well in) but was denied since I did not have the proper math class. I'm not saying that there was not enough time to do this assignment, but that doesn't matter. That's what I was feed by the department ("I'm not saying that you don't have the ability. ... you just don't meet the prerequisite"). I personally feel that it's hypocritical and unacceptable, as I have felt frequently about this school and the attitudes of many in the CS department (not an attack at the professors, I learned an incredible amount this semester and am mostly referring to advisors here) Especially the head advisor for the CS department, I have never seen a person more disgruntled with life. I am thoroughly dissatisfied with this school quite frequently, but once i get my piece of paper I will never have to care about it again. I hope the professors can start to understand how the students feel when they are denied something based on such a strict (and often ridiculous) by-the-book policy, and I hope this homework has to be cancelled, not because I don't want to do it, but just because I would never find an end to the humor and irony. > > It is against policy to have anything due for a grade, (with a few narrow > > exceptions) during the last week, so making it due Monday or Wednesday > > would have been against policy too. The policy does not mention anything > > about how long you had to do it, only when it is due. > > > > Read for yourself. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.cas.vt.edu/student/coursepolicy.html#final > > ----------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:35:48 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Christine White Subject: Re: homework during exams In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000505103110.008f8100@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You're not wrong. I have the 97-98 undergrad catalog. Page 21 specifically states: "Study week refers to the last three calendar days of classes for each semester. All written work should be assigned so that it can be graded and returned during a regularly scheduled class meeting of the term. In-class hour-long examinations or other major in-class written assignments or tests shall not be given during study week." I think the fact that we have a homework assignment in the midst of exams shows complete disregard for students and the stress we're under. There's a reason the university prohibits assignments during study week. CS 2604 teachers have chosen to ignore it and university policy as well. At 10:31 AM 05/05/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I was just wondering why we have homework due during exams. Maybe I'm >wrong, and I don't think I am, but I think this is against school policy. >I personally have time to do it, but there are some who are probably >studying for they're exams, which are more important. > >Garrett > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:55:03 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Owens Subject: Re: homework during exams In-Reply-To: <0FU400HB71NIM3@gkar.cc.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ".. no in-class hour-long examinations or other major in-class written assignments or tests shall not be given during study week." None "were" given on study week, this was assigned weeks ago. Be happy you were given an extra week to do this, there is no use crying over spilled milk. If you put this off until now, it is your own fault for waiting, it was stated when assigned that "it would be due during exams, and that you shoudn't wait until then, because we're (the teachers) not responsible for that, we just wanted to give you some extra time because of when the project was due." that is what dr. shaffer said in class, when the homework was posted. -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Christine White Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 7:36 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Re: homework during exams You're not wrong. I have the 97-98 undergrad catalog. Page 21 specifically states: "Study week refers to the last three calendar days of classes for each semester. All written work should be assigned so that it can be graded and returned during a regularly scheduled class meeting of the term. In-class hour-long examinations or other major in-class written assignments or tests shall not be given during study week." I think the fact that we have a homework assignment in the midst of exams shows complete disregard for students and the stress we're under. There's a reason the university prohibits assignments during study week. CS 2604 teachers have chosen to ignore it and university policy as well. At 10:31 AM 05/05/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I was just wondering why we have homework due during exams. Maybe I'm >wrong, and I don't think I am, but I think this is against school policy. >I personally have time to do it, but there are some who are probably >studying for they're exams, which are more important. > >Garrett > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 19:55:26 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Steve Mirman Subject: Re: homework during exams In-Reply-To: <0FU400HB71NIM3@gkar.cc.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Everyone stop your bitching. Either do the assignment or complain the Provost, but stop e-mailing the listserv. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:06:24 -0700 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Dan Subject: Question 2 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey, sorry to but into this great intelligent conversation that is going on but... if you are using double hashing (like in question 2) and you still have a collision..is that possible. does that mean that i did something wrong...or do you handle it with some linear probing or what? thanks dan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:22:56 +0100 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Alan Lattimer Subject: Re: homework during exams In-Reply-To: <0FU400FVX2ES0U@gkar.cc.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Okay Steve, So your post gave me the biggest laugh of the night. I needed one! Have a good one and I'll see you at the exam. Alan Lattimer > -----Original Message----- > From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of > Steve Mirman > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 12:55 AM > To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU > Subject: Re: homework during exams > > > Everyone stop your bitching. Either do the assignment or complain the > Provost, but stop e-mailing the listserv. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:21:40 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brian Subject: Faculty Handbook MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Undergraduate Catalog? What if they don't have the Undergraduate Catalog? How about this: (taken from the Faculty Handbook, p. 49) "All written work, with the exceptions noted below, should be given at such time that it can be graded and returned during a regularly scheduled class meeting. In any event, in-class hour examinations or other major in-class written assignments or tests shall not be given during the last three calendar days of scheduled classes. The exceptions for undergraduate courses are: 1. Dates for turning in term papers and project reports may be set at the discretion of the instructor, if the student is not to be held responsible on the final examination for the subject matter therein. 2. Final examinations in laboratory courses and in other courses that do not warrant a final examination during the examination period. Such examinations, if required by the department and/or instructor, should be given during the last regularly scheduled laboratory or class period. 3. Regularly scheduled final examinations, when special permission has been granted by the dean of the appropriate college." The most important part of that entire quote is simply: "All written work ... should be given at such time that it can be graded and returned during a regularly scheduled class meeting." Well now, the last scheduled class period has come and gone. I understand they could have made this due earlier, but the fact is, they didn't. That is against policy. But wait, it gets even better! Read this carefully: "All written work ... should be given at such time that it can be graded and returned during a regularly scheduled class meeting." Did anyone get their Project 4 back by Wednesday? Did I hear you say no? Funny... Neither did I. Alright, to step off my soap box for one second, I'm not trying to bash anyone just for the sake of bashing someone. I'm not out to get anyone. But, these policies are here for a reason. We shouldn't have to kill ourselves over big projects and homework during exam time, unless the professors want to kill themselves grading it. I think that is very clear. However, just like everyone else, I'm going to do this homework and turn it in because the CS department is bigger than I am. I would like to meet with any of the professors that read this and will discuss it with me. Unfortunately, I could only meet with Sarah Wheeler and Dr. Via today. Dr. Kafura will have to wait until Monday (I don't have enough time because I have homework to do). As respectfully as I can, I sign this letter with the hope that this won't turn into some huge fight. Our Handbook and the Faculty handbook state that this is not allowed. The fact that it could have been different is totally immaterial. It wasn't done differently. What is happening right now is a breach of policy. -Brian Ekey ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:20:43 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Michael Leatherman Subject: Re: Question 2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000505200624.0185b6e4@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit sort of. on page 321 it says that double hashing is just a different constant for the probing process. p(K, i) = i * h2(K) so, your using linear probing with a constant determined with the key value -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:06 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Question 2 hey, sorry to but into this great intelligent conversation that is going on but... if you are using double hashing (like in question 2) and you still have a collision..is that possible. does that mean that i did something wrong...or do you handle it with some linear probing or what? thanks dan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:27:41 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Tanner Bonig Subject: Re: Question 2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000505200624.0185b6e4@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit if you have a second collision then you just move again.. so if your original hash position is 6, but it's full, there's a collision, so you go to the second has function... lets say that returns 3, then you go to position 9, now lets say that's full! well then you move on to position 12 (9 + 3)... any more ?? Tanner P.S.... since I'm here, in response to all this complaining about the last homework (I have to put in my two cents...) WHO CARES! Do the damn homework like everyone else, and be thankful they are giving us a chance to help our grades out (cause this was a fairly easy HW assignment)... besides, it all comes down to this: no matter how much complain you do it won't change the fact you still have to turn it in! -----Original Message----- From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:06 PM To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU Subject: Question 2 hey, sorry to but into this great intelligent conversation that is going on but... if you are using double hashing (like in question 2) and you still have a collision..is that possible. does that mean that i did something wrong...or do you handle it with some linear probing or what? thanks dan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:17:18 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brandon Horsley Subject: Re: Faculty Handbook MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I agree completely Brian.. and in fact, I asked my advisor a question about my schedule today and I would like to share his responce with you all: "Brian, I have been out of town for a week and just got back. I'm giving a final exam today and have to get grades out, so you can see it isn't a good time for me to answer anything but the simplest of advising questions. To get the best service at this point in time, how about asking at the CS office if you can see one of the new professional advisors? Sorry I can't help more." I'm getting pretty sick and tired of this bullshit runaround. My name's not even Brian. I am tired of being blown off and pissed on by the CS department, and I think that if all the students are going to be held to strict by-the-book policies, then let's be just. I know that the professors for this class did an excellent job, but if the CS department is going to bend me over and give it to me, then they should give it to their own too. It's only fair. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:52:44 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Jordan Chavez Subject: Re: Question 2 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000505200624.0185b6e4@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii sure you can. just because the probe sequences for each element in the set diverge, it doesn't mean that they can't have sequence elements in common. At 08:06 PM 5/5/00 -0700, you wrote: >hey, > sorry to but into this great intelligent conversation that is going on but... > >if you are using double hashing (like in question 2) and you still have a >collision..is that possible. does that mean that i did something >wrong...or do you handle it with some linear probing or what? > >thanks > >dan > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:00:20 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Michael Witczak Subject: Re: Faculty Handbook MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You people that are complaining don't deserve to take classes at this university. Degrade this department on your own time and not others. You have a problem with the CS department, complain to your department. I guarantee they don't give a damn what you think. I have been here for 3 years now in the CS department, of which is ranked pretty high in the WORLD, and I have learned a lot from these professors. If you don't care about anything but how your getting bent over, or treated badly, then you dont deserve the education you are getting. Grades arent everything, what you know is what counts. You spend all your time complaining, then you arent learning anything. Who cares about rules. Some rules are made to be broken and that is up to the PROFESSOR on how they run their class. I have gotten the runaround in this department too, but I dont complain. It is a privledge to go to a distinguished university in this department. If you feel like you want to complain about this message, reply directly to me. Ill have a filter ready to delete it as soon as it comes in. Sorry to the professors and people who actually use this device for academic uses for filling your boxes. Brandon Horsley wrote: > I agree completely Brian.. and in fact, I asked my advisor a question about > my schedule today and I would like to share his responce with you all: > > "Brian, I have been out of town for a week and just got back. I'm giving a > final exam today and have to get grades out, so you can see it isn't a > good time for me to answer anything but the simplest of advising > questions. To get the best service at this point in time, how about > asking at the CS office if you can see one of the new professional > advisors? Sorry I can't help more." > > I'm getting pretty sick and tired of this bullshit runaround. My name's not > even Brian. I am tired of being blown off and pissed on by the CS > department, and I think that if all the students are going to be held to > strict by-the-book policies, then let's be just. I know that the professors > for this class did an excellent job, but if the CS department is going to > bend me over and give it to me, then they should give it to their own too. > It's only fair. -- To errr is human...... to really screw up something up takes a computer. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:08:09 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Philip Matarese Subject: Re: Faculty Handbook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >"I'm getting pretty sick and tired of this bullshit runaround. My name's not >even Brian. I am tired of being blown off and pissed on by the CS >department, and I think that if all the students are going to be held to >strict by-the-book policies, then let's be just. I know that the professors >for this class did an excellent job, but if the CS department is going to >bend me over and give it to me, then they should give it to their own too. >It's only fair." I always thought the CS department gave me the runaround because they didn't like Engineers. I guess it's good to see that they don't discriminate. Who's YOUR professor? I guess MY professor did do an excellent job reading from our pre-printed class notes. -Phil (good thing MY professor doesn't get this listserv) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:11:35 -0700 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Scott Walker Subject: 2 Cents MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So maybe having this assignment due today is a breach of policy and maybe it isn't, currently it's not clear to me which is the case. The whole argument is just plain ludicrous and for all you people who are bitching about how busy you are, shouldn't you be spending your time doing more productive things than writing multiple emails to the list-serv complaining, or digging through various handbooks to provide "evidence" for your claims??? Taking this whole argument up with a higher power is an assinine idea. I'm sure the university officials have better things to do at this time of year than deal with a few students upset because they were slacking and now have an assignment to do during exam time. What do you expect the university to do? Force the professors to disregard the grades for project 4 and homework 3? Maybe you're one of the people who didn't do well on project 4, so having that grade dropped would benefit you, but I'm sure there are also students out there that having grades on project 4 and homework 3 is going to benefit them. This option is obviously out since it would benefit some and hurt others. If you're expecting some other form of 'punishment' to result from taking this up with a higher authority, perhaps a reprimand of the professors in 'violation', that's plain disrespectful. The professors gave us this extension when they did not have to because they felt that we would appreciate having the bit of extra time to work on it after having to deal with project 4. How many times in the past have people (at least in prior classes) whined about NOT getting extensions and now that we actually DO get one people are complaining about that too! This whole argument is just getting way out of hand and I wish everyone out there would just shut up and go back to doing what we all should be doing at this time, namely studying for our exams. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:06:15 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: jon Subject: Re: 2 Cents MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I don't think anyone honestly wants to punish our professors. They're cool people and they help us out most of the time. There is a very valid point in all this, however, which is directed towards the department (specifically Ms. Schuetz and like-minded people), and that is: if they treated their professors the way they treat students, this WOULD be cause for their reprimand! The point is showing the rules' absurdity when taken in the extreme, as they often are towards the [paying, voluntarily enrolled, intelligent] students. Consider the following platitude I got from Dr. Balci - echoing Ms. Schuetz - when trying to take CS3204 along with this course: >All of us need to learn to obey the rules... The problem should be attributed >to poor planning for your courses. This is stupid. It's a clear example of taking the rules too far, since I could have easily taken both courses (as could Brandon) and done well. Since the department has proven beyond doubt that they have zero respect for individual students, it is indeed important to address issues like this which involve professors because they stand some (tiny) chance of affecting policy. The CS department's rude and harmful treatment of its students has caused me to caution potential students very strongly against coming to this school. I've seen numerous occasions where perfectly good - usually exceptional - students get mistreated by these 'rules.' Other departments have rules, but their people apply them wisely. It's a shame that good CS professors work under such misguided administration and have to share their bad reputation. Jon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:57:09 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: jeol Subject: you are kidding, right? In-Reply-To: <3913648E.4369F93@vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Why did you not complain about the homework weeks ago when it was assigned? The way I see it you gave your approval by not complaining then. Either way the real world does not have rules about turning in assignments during certain times so you'd better get used to it now. Ok so you are not in the real world yet and therefor should be sheltered by the university and it's rules. (Remember, theoretically you are being prepared for the working world.) If you are planning to be a computer programmer you should thank your professors for teaching you this lesson now Many of you will go on to earn HUGE salaries but you will also work 50+ hour work weeks with no compensation. They will not care what else is going on in your life. If you are lucky your employer will sent your wife/husband flowers for keeping you from them. Complain now while you can because in a few years they will laugh you out the door. Good night. Joel PS. Learn that the world does not revolve around you now and you'll be a lot better off. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:15:50 +0100 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Gordon Subject: Re: Question 2 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit actually, is it using the ouput of the second hash function as an offset from the first, or as the new index? I think that is what the question comes down to... and i just assumed it was a new index so i probably got it wrong oh well. john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tanner Bonig" To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:27 AM Subject: Re: Question 2 > if you have a second collision then you just move again.. so if your > original hash position is 6, but it's full, there's a collision, so you go > to the second has function... lets say that returns 3, then you go to > position 9, now lets say that's full! well then you move on to position 12 > (9 + 3)... > > any more ?? > > Tanner > > P.S.... since I'm here, in response to all this complaining about the last > homework (I have to put in my two cents...) WHO CARES! Do the damn homework > like everyone else, and be thankful they are giving us a chance to help our > grades out (cause this was a fairly easy HW assignment)... besides, it all > comes down to this: no matter how much complain you do it won't change the > fact you still have to turn it in! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CS2604 discussion list [mailto:CS2604@listserv.vt.edu]On Behalf Of > Dan > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:06 PM > To: CS2604@LISTSERV.VT.EDU > Subject: Question 2 > > > hey, > sorry to but into this great intelligent conversation that is going > on but... > > if you are using double hashing (like in question 2) and you still have a > collision..is that possible. does that mean that i did something > wrong...or do you handle it with some linear probing or what? > > thanks > > dan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:32:53 +0100 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Gordon Subject: Re: Faculty Handbook MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit If you study the book as hard as you studied this bullshit, youll do ok on the exam... though I dont know why you wasted so much energy doing research on what our relatively cool (particularly Shaffer) professors can and can not do ESPECIALLY when it comes to buying us time on an assignment which they could have (look in your book) assigned and required be turned in on the same day. I dont have a problem with time, im sure you dont either. And im wasting listserv bandwidth sorry. I just dont know why so many people started tweaking so hard, i also got screwed over by tech, but what most of us fail to realize is that when you are trying to deal with counselors and the dropadd etcetera, you are one in many. The best thing you can ever do in the case that you feel like your getting screwed is talk to a professor, then you may be one in few or at least fewer. I didnt get to take proofs or whatever that other class was last sem, but I begged my professor, and he let me take it as a corequisite. We must all realize that this institution, outside of the professors themselves is trying to act in the best interests of us as well as our teachers. Im sure that they could allow us to take operating systems as a freshman, and if they did, i would have taken and failed it. Class names can be misleading and really prerequisites are set up by teachers and the school for our protection from those kinds of mistakes, though im sure if you are pushy enough or rather "convincing enough" you can convince a teacher to force add you into the class of your choice, it is a special case. Usually you dont take that kind of thing to your advisor because they tend to be more educated about the order of classes the typical student should take, rather than the specifics of the class in question. Why would you call a plumber to fix your stove? well, now that i feel i have sufficiently taxed the listserv of its patience and bandwidth i will wait in mild amusement for replies. john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:21 AM Subject: Faculty Handbook > Undergraduate Catalog? What if they don't have the Undergraduate > Catalog? How about this: > > > (taken from the Faculty Handbook, p. 49) > "All written work, with the exceptions noted below, should be given at > such time that it can be graded and returned during a regularly > scheduled class meeting. In any event, in-class hour examinations or > other major in-class written assignments or tests shall not be given > during the last three calendar days of scheduled classes. > > The exceptions for undergraduate courses are: > > 1. Dates for turning in term papers and project reports may be set at > the discretion of the instructor, if the student is not to be held > responsible on the final examination for the subject matter therein. > > 2. Final examinations in laboratory courses and in other courses that > do not warrant a final examination during the examination period. Such > examinations, if required by the department and/or instructor, should be > given during the last regularly scheduled laboratory or class period. > > 3. Regularly scheduled final examinations, when special permission has > been granted by the dean of the appropriate college." > > > The most important part of that entire quote is simply: "All written > work ... should be given at such time that it can be graded and returned > during a regularly scheduled class meeting." Well now, the last > scheduled class period has come and gone. I understand they could have > made this due earlier, but the fact is, they didn't. That is against > policy. But wait, it gets even better! Read this carefully: "All written > work ... should be given at such time that it can be graded and returned > during a regularly scheduled class meeting." Did anyone get their > Project 4 back by Wednesday? Did I hear you say no? Funny... Neither did > I. > > Alright, to step off my soap box for one second, I'm not trying to bash > anyone just for the sake of bashing someone. I'm not out to get anyone. > But, these policies are here for a reason. We shouldn't have to kill > ourselves over big projects and homework during exam time, unless the > professors want to kill themselves grading it. I think that is very > clear. However, just like everyone else, I'm going to do this homework > and turn it in because the CS department is bigger than I am. I would > like to meet with any of the professors that read this and will discuss > it with me. Unfortunately, I could only meet with Sarah Wheeler and Dr. > Via today. Dr. Kafura will have to wait until Monday (I don't have > enough time because I have homework to do). > > As respectfully as I can, I sign this letter with the hope that this > won't turn into some huge fight. Our Handbook and the Faculty handbook > state that this is not allowed. The fact that it could have been > different is totally immaterial. It wasn't done differently. What is > happening right now is a breach of policy. > > -Brian Ekey ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 13:15:10 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Jordan Chavez Subject: stupidity MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How about this: don't post any more messages to the listserv about stupid crap like your opinions on the cs department, or when homework should be due, or how the world is out to get you. Don't ever reply to this message. I really really didn't want to post and contribute to this nonsense myself, but it's really annoying me. So don't post a new message about the homework being due, don't reply to this, just end it, and save us a few headaches. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 13:19:06 -0600 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Ben Keller Subject: Re: Question 2 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Combine the definition of p(K,i) for double hashing with its use in the insertion function from earlier in the chapter and it should help understand what's going on. John Gordon wrote: > > actually, is it using the ouput of the second hash function as an offset > from the first, or as the new index? > I think that is what the question comes down to... and i just assumed it was > a new index so i probably got it wrong > oh well. > > john > -- Ben Keller email: keller@cs.vt.edu Computer Science Department phone: 1-540-231-9367 Virginia Tech Blacksburg, VA 24061-0106 USA ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 14:13:03 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Joseph Bowyer Subject: Re: stupidity MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry, I'm forced to apply. Ok, a lot of people have gotten pissed over this homework thing. Since there is only the final to worry about I believe that the listserv is the best forum for this discussion. I don't think it's a waste of time or bandwidth. I personally am fine with the homework assignment, but I think the homework assignment isn't the real problem here. We've seen how many people have gotten passionate about this argument, on both sides. We are all very intelligent people here, or otherwise we wouldn't have made it past Intro to Data Structures =) So there has to be some real problem here, I don't think all these people are bitching both ways just because they were lazy, or they have nothing better to do, or they are stupid. If something like as small as the due date of a homework assignment can cause this much commotion, there is something underneath that, and it is the causing all these short tempers and emotional outburst. It is my opinion that it would do the professors of this class and the advisors to read every single email that comes through this listserv concerning this topic. They could get a grasp on what is upsetting so many of THEIR students. WE are students here, and that makes us people, human beings that deserve to at least be acknowledged. And this concern hasn't been acknowledged by any of the higher ups, and it kinda of scares me because the way the listserv sounds we have some irrate students, and irrate students are bad for the entire department, for us and the higher ups. I'm sure most all of you have an opinion to voice on this matter, and I encourage you to voice. We have the listserv here for projects and work, but this matter is related to all of us. Just don't bomb the damn thing with responses =) Thanks for your time Kevyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Chavez" To: Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 1:15 PM Subject: stupidity > How about this: don't post any more messages to the listserv about stupid > crap like your opinions on the cs department, or when homework should be > due, or how the world is out to get you. Don't ever reply to this message. > I really really didn't want to post and contribute to this nonsense > myself, but it's really annoying me. So don't post a new message about the > homework being due, don't reply to this, just end it, and save us a few > headaches. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 0100 14:54:44 -0500 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Brian Wagner Subject: Re: 2 Cents In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.20000506020615.00b14f58@mail.vt.edu> from "jon" at May 5, 0 10:06:15 pm Content-Type: text (I profusely apologize for responding to these ludicrous discussions -- I just can't sit by and let people make asses of themselves, w/out calling them on it. I wish I had Dr. Shaffer's self-control -- notice he didn't degrade himself by replying to any of this crap! :) ) Wow, I'm ashamed to live in the same city as the people who have bitched at Shaffer for him making this due on Friday. Next time Dr. Shaffer thinks about being nice to students (by giving us extra time to an assignment), he'll decide against it. (Or any other professor that gets wind of this fiasco.) Thanks people for wasting time and making the professors cynical about the students. You'll only hurting yourselves. > > I don't think anyone honestly wants to punish our professors. They're cool > people and they help us out most of the time. There is a very valid point > in all this, however, which is directed towards the department (specifically > Ms. Schuetz and like-minded people), and that is: if they treated their > professors the way they treat students, this WOULD be cause for their > reprimand! The point is showing the rules' absurdity when taken in the > extreme, as they often are towards the [paying, voluntarily enrolled, > intelligent] students. > > Consider the following platitude I got from Dr. Balci - echoing Ms. Schuetz > - when trying to take CS3204 along with this course: > > >All of us need to learn to obey the rules... The problem should be attributed > >to poor planning for your courses. > > This is stupid. It's a clear example of taking the rules too far, since I > could have easily taken both courses (as could Brandon) and done well. > > Since the department has proven beyond doubt that they have zero respect for > individual students, it is indeed important to address issues like this > which involve professors because they stand some (tiny) chance of affecting > policy. > > The CS department's rude and harmful treatment of its students has caused me > to caution potential students very strongly against coming to this school. > I've seen numerous occasions where perfectly good - usually exceptional - > students get mistreated by these 'rules.' Other departments have rules, but > their people apply them wisely. It's a shame that good CS professors work > under such misguided administration and have to share their bad reputation. > > Jon > -- // *Brian Wagner, CpE My Homepage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~datatroi Woo hoo!! School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:16:16 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Joseph Bowyer Subject: Re: 2 Cents MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The homework isn't the issue. That's just the catalyst that starting all of this. The problem is that there are obviously quite a few students here that feel they have been either screwed or just plain ignored by this department. The last time I checked this is America, and we have that whole "freedom of speech" thing. The professors should see that there is some problem here, an undercurrent that should be faced and dealt with. Their time is not being wasted and they shouldn't get cynical because a few students wish to voice their opinions, we are all grown ups here. Thanx for your time Kevyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Wagner" To: Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 3:54 PM Subject: Re: 2 Cents > (I profusely apologize for responding to these ludicrous discussions -- > I just can't sit by and let people make asses of themselves, w/out calling > them on it. I wish I had Dr. Shaffer's self-control -- notice he didn't > degrade himself by replying to any of this crap! :) ) > > Wow, I'm ashamed to live in the same city as the people who have bitched at > Shaffer for him making this due on Friday. > > Next time Dr. Shaffer thinks about being nice to students (by giving us extra > time to an assignment), he'll decide against it. > (Or any other professor that gets wind of this fiasco.) > > Thanks people for wasting time and making the professors cynical about the > students. You'll only hurting yourselves. > > > > > > I don't think anyone honestly wants to punish our professors. They're cool > > people and they help us out most of the time. There is a very valid point > > in all this, however, which is directed towards the department (specifically > > Ms. Schuetz and like-minded people), and that is: if they treated their > > professors the way they treat students, this WOULD be cause for their > > reprimand! The point is showing the rules' absurdity when taken in the > > extreme, as they often are towards the [paying, voluntarily enrolled, > > intelligent] students. > > > > Consider the following platitude I got from Dr. Balci - echoing Ms. Schuetz > > - when trying to take CS3204 along with this course: > > > > >All of us need to learn to obey the rules... The problem should be attributed > > >to poor planning for your courses. > > > > This is stupid. It's a clear example of taking the rules too far, since I > > could have easily taken both courses (as could Brandon) and done well. > > > > Since the department has proven beyond doubt that they have zero respect for > > individual students, it is indeed important to address issues like this > > which involve professors because they stand some (tiny) chance of affecting > > policy. > > > > The CS department's rude and harmful treatment of its students has caused me > > to caution potential students very strongly against coming to this school. > > I've seen numerous occasions where perfectly good - usually exceptional - > > students get mistreated by these 'rules.' Other departments have rules, but > > their people apply them wisely. It's a shame that good CS professors work > > under such misguided administration and have to share their bad reputation. > > > > Jon > > > > > -- > // *Brian Wagner, CpE My Homepage: http://www.bigfoot.com/~datatroi > Woo hoo!! School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... > School is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... School > is out, no more school ... School is out, no more school ... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:15:00 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Jason Giglio Subject: Re: 2 Cents In-Reply-To: <200003101954.OAA00887@brwagne2.campus.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:54 PM 3/10/00 -0500, you wrote: >(I profusely apologize for responding to these ludicrous discussions -- >I just can't sit by and let people make asses of themselves, w/out calling >them on it. I wish I had Dr. Shaffer's self-control -- notice he didn't >degrade himself by replying to any of this crap! :) ) > >Wow, I'm ashamed to live in the same city as the people who have bitched at >Shaffer for him making this due on Friday. It isn't about the due date anymore, and to me, it never was about the due date. Like Joseph Bowyer said, this is more about hypocracy and double standards on a departmental level. Do you ever wonder why there are so many drop-outs of CS? I don't think it has as much to do with the difficulty of work, at least once you get past freshman year, I think it has more to do with a department that is unresponsive to the students, and does not take into account the effect of certain policies on students. I wanted to stay in CS... I attempted to stay in CS until the end of my sophomore year. Then I realized that the things that were required for CS were not things I would ever use in the career that I want. One no longer has to be a math geek to be a programmer. Programming has nothing to do with math anymore. (excluding discrete "math") I can only see this trend continuing as more and more powerful mathematical tools become available. It is mainly because of this "old school" teaching of CS that I am dropping out. I want to do things with computers, things that make money for the business I work for. Yes, Dr. Roach, I am "greedy" as you put it, and that is how capitalism works. I don't want to work for a "computer" company. I have found a major more to my liking, and that is MSCI. MSCI is currently so swamped by CS students trying to enter it, that one must have a really high QCA to get in to it. That should say something about the CS department. The reason I am in this class now is because I would like to graduate with a CS minor, so all those credits I have taken will not be wasted. ------------------------------------------------------- Jason Giglio jgiglio@vt.edu Free Poetry Contest http://www.poetrycontestonline.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 17:49:29 -0700 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Scott Walker Subject: Re: 2 Cents In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000506171500.0085e920@mail.vt.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >MSCI is currently so swamped by CS students trying to enter it, that >one must have a really high QCA to get in to it. That should say something >about the CS department. Anyone else out there agree with me that the only thing this says to them is... "Amen! That's at least a few less people I have to listen to bitching on my listervs next year, and a few less emails cluttering up my inbox!!!" If so, why just feel free to post your comments to the listserv since this has apparently now become a freedom of speach issue as well, and your voices DESERVE to be heard! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 19:24:34 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: "=(8-b)" Subject: Re: 2 Cents In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit i was wondering how long i could resist... but now you went and pissed me off. i personally am sick of the STUDENTS in the computer science department. the overwhelming majority of professors with whom i have had experiences with have been nothing short of great. some of you may have gotten the "bs runaround" but who cares. everyone gets the bs runaround sometime in thier life, and most of us get it very often. i get it from my professors, my coach, and my girlfreind. who cares? my dad gets it from his boss. the bs runaround is (pardon the cliche), part of the real world. and if you dont think so, i challenge you to find anyone who is completely happy with thier job, wether it be ceo of microsoft, or mop bitch at McDonalds. on the bitching to the list serv issue, everyone bitches to someone, so stop bitching about bitching. if you dont want people "cluttering" your listserv with garbage, then ignore it. its pretty easy. i would have, but i find this stuff interesting. and if you didnt, you wouldnt have read it either. why do you think people like springer? and if any of you think that you are better than someone else just because of your major, you can shove your head up your own ass. for the record- i am a cs major. i happen to enjoy programming enough to stay in it, but if you dont, or you cant, or whatever... good luck to you. and some of you may be wondering why many mcsi grads get the better jobs upon graduation, this is why: because the boss would rather deal with them than you. something happens when you leave McBryde: you get exposed to the people that you will be dealing with. they probably arent as smart as most of you, but they will be your boss, so you better learn to like them. or at least get them to like you. back to the department and its policies. i know this department is one of the best, but that really isnt an issue to anyone, except when they are trying to get in, and when they are trying to get a job. the "issue" that most people are dealing with seems to be stress, wether caused by doing a hw during finals, or studying for another final, etc. on the issue of hw, i dont anyone would have minded doing it right before the final, in order to use it as a study guide. i found myself doing a half assed job, and i will need to go back over the weekend and study more about B+ trees, hashing, etc. idealy that would have happend. and idealy, brittany spears would be my sex slave. but shes not, and i have learned to deal with it. i dont really know what effort the professors put into this class, but im sure i wouldnt love thier job. i can tell by listening to keller's lectures and reading schaeffer's book that these two guys are smart enough to be making 3 times as much money working in the private sector. and im sure the same goes for dr roach. you guys should be thanking them the sacrifices they have made for you. so they arent perfect teachers, but you and i are still very lucky to have them. to anyone who has read this far- im sure you have something better to be doing. this is the middle of exams :) -duffy PS- dont think that next years listserv will be anydifferent. someone will get frustrated and say something that will piss soneone else off, and you will find your self reading all kinds of trash email. not to mention all kinds of email about how other email sent out to the listserv is a waste of space. something to think about before you reply: "love thy neibhor" "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" im sure i have broken these guidlines multiple times in this email, but it is still good to think about it. and if i pissed you off and you want to discuss this, how about we do it in person? or better yet- why dosent everyone on this listserv pick sides and we can all meet on the drill feild and beat some ass. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 21:25:13 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Steve Mirman Subject: Homework In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Can someone who got HW2 #1 right please explain to me how you got the answer? I don't understand how it works. You can just e-mail me directly if you don't want to post on the listserv. Thanks! -Steve ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:58:26 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Shalaka Tendulkar Subject: P4 grades: section 1369 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, The grades for section 1369, P4, have been put up on the web page and the grading sheets have been sent out. Let me know if you have any questions. Shalaka ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:45:27 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Ago Sukanovic Subject: About the CS dept MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII You guys can say whatever you want, but CS dept at Tech is not as good as it seems. I am a Junior going to my Senior year and by Tech's standards I don't know nothing but C++. I know all of you looked for a job in the "Computer Science" field by now, but every employer out there asks for Java, Visual Basic, or at least Visual C++, and we aren't learning any of that at this college. We are supposed to take 30 hours of arts and "so called science", but all I know is from 120 hours I have to take at this university only 15 will help me get a job. Now, can you people tell me if somebody is ripping me off and making money off of my time? I don't mind learning, but I do mind being forced to learn stuff that I will never be asked at my cubicle. Question: Can CS dept do more for me? Oh, yes, but will they? Oh, no. Computer world is changing as we speak and I really don't think that people that teach us right now are competent enough to keep up with the trend. Hell, I know I can hack better than half of the staff from McBryde's 6th floor... and that's sad... I just wish faculty would sometimes look into the real world to see what it really takes for a CS graduate to get a job (other than teaching!!!!!!). Ignorance is taking over, and people are making mad money off of me, and I am not happy about it. Now, you tell me, do I have to take it? Ago ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 08:04:43 +0100 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: John Gordon Subject: Re: About the CS dept MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit quit quit quit quit! youve got my vote, drop out surely that will make businesses who dont want you now realize what an independent and free thinker you are. Then they will see that your new blood being brought in would really help out in an office full of overtaught, overworked, completely burnt out programmers to find inspiration. In fact, it would be to my greatest chagrine if you were to stay here at this college unhappilly. I like college myslef i like booty, i like learning (whether it be all that or not) and most of all, i like the fact that we are learning a language which shares syntax with many other languages and whose structure is not totally screwed up (ie lisp) I know that other colleges use a different base language, sometimes one which exists only for teaching. eh john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ago Sukanovic" To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 8:45 AM Subject: About the CS dept > You guys can say whatever you want, but CS dept at Tech is not as good as it > seems. I am a Junior going to my Senior year and by Tech's standards I don't > know nothing but C++. > I know all of you looked for a job in the "Computer Science" field by now, > but every employer out there asks for Java, Visual Basic, or at least > Visual C++, and we aren't learning any of that at this college. We are > supposed to take 30 hours of arts and "so called science", but all I know is > from 120 hours I have to take at this university only 15 will help me get a > job. > Now, can you people tell me if somebody is ripping me off and making money > off of my time? > I don't mind learning, but I do mind being forced to learn stuff that I will > never be asked at my cubicle. > Question: Can CS dept do more for me? Oh, yes, but will they? Oh, no. > > Computer world is changing as we speak and I really don't think that people > that teach us right now are competent enough to keep up with the trend. > Hell, I know I can hack better than half of the staff from McBryde's 6th > floor... and that's sad... > > I just wish faculty would sometimes look into the real world to see what it > really takes for a CS graduate to get a job (other than teaching!!!!!!). > > Ignorance is taking over, and people are making mad money off of me, and I > am not happy about it. Now, you tell me, do I have to take it? > > Ago ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:22:01 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: Andy Strassburg Subject: Hur In-Reply-To: <000701bfb7f2$85199c40$7d6d52c6@pooky> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, Hur. Hur hur hur hur. HUUR URURRR HUURURRRRR!!!!!!! HHURUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR!!! HUR HUR HUR HUR HUR!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the extent of my message. Have a nice day! AP PS -- Do you see how silly we are all being on the listserv? Oh well, I hope I made someone smile... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:14:07 -0400 Reply-To: CS2604 discussion list Sender: CS2604 discussion list From: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." Subject: Re: 2 Cents In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'll respond to only one point in you